Transcripts

Purpose

Ep. 37 Miki Kashtan on the three shifts needed for self-managing organisations to thrive

...ter, it will need to realign itself with needs. Because otherwise, there comes a moment where it's like, wait a minute, we're self managing, for what purpose? To increase the profit of one person somewhere that can then accumulate? Why would we do that? So the way that so called traditional organisations –...more
...ments. And yet that provides a certain kind of odd coherence. So if you remove that, you need something else to create coherence. And that comes from purpose at all levels, which is very, very, very closely related to me. And it also comes from having agreement about how you function together, which are al...more
... It's a complete shift. Miki Kashtan: Yes. Most organisations in the world are designed to maximise accumulation for a few individuals. That is their purpose. And that purpose has nothing inspiring about it, except possibly for the person who's going to get the money, but even then, I don't actually think ...more
...hift. Miki Kashtan: Yes. Most organisations in the world are designed to maximise accumulation for a few individuals. That is their purpose. And that purpose has nothing inspiring about it, except possibly for the person who's going to get the money, but even then, I don't actually think it's inspiring. It...more
...im of doing well, by doing good, which you know, we might or might not get to, I want to put that on the side. But whatever it is, ultimately, if the purpose is to maximise profits and accumulation for one or a few individuals, there isn't going to be a strong enough "why" that is intrinsic for people to o...more
... be very willing to collect the garbage from time to time, not all the time as my sole job, but I might be very willing to do that – when I know what purpose it serves. And then I won't need any extrinsic motivation, I will do it because I know that every time I take the garbage out, I'm serving such and s...more
...t serves. And then I won't need any extrinsic motivation, I will do it because I know that every time I take the garbage out, I'm serving such and so purpose. If there is no purpose you will need to force me and you don't force me with the gun these days, mostly you force me with: "You don't do it, there w...more
...'t need any extrinsic motivation, I will do it because I know that every time I take the garbage out, I'm serving such and so purpose. If there is no purpose you will need to force me and you don't force me with the gun these days, mostly you force me with: "You don't do it, there won't be a job for you."...more
...riteria, so that not everything is for everyone. For example, I've seen many groups collapse, because you include someone that isn't aligned with the purpose or values or norms of the group to such an extent that every meeting becomes a nightmare. And there will always be some people who will want to conti...more
... it anymore. So that's already not perfect inclusion, you've tried to include this person and these other people who were completely aligned with the purpose and values of the of the group, they are leaving. So it's a very hard one for people to think about. And still, I think it's necessary and that we do...more
... key is, it needs to grapple with it rather than imagine or pretend that because we're nice people and we have shared values, and we have such a cool purpose, we don't have to look at it. So I think of exclusion criteria as being part of what I call a conflict engagement system. So it's one of five core sy...more
...n it the piece about conflict escalation. When conflict is not contained, and it continues to escalate, under what conditions, in what ways, for what purpose? How do you mitigate for consequences? How do you do it with as much love as possible? All of these things, every group needs to work out. That's not...more

Ep. 55 Frederic Laloux with an invitation to reclaim integrity and aliveness

...ecided we’d like to dig into is this: Thinking about these three ideas that you wrote about in your book (self-management, wholeness and evolutionary purpose), are these intentions going to help us have the difficult conversations that we need to have about the fact that we are participating in an increasi...more
... chosen it. We haven’t designed it. But I think that if we want to be real on wholeness, and if we want to be real around serving a real evolutionary purpose, let’s look at these things. Let’s have the courage to, to look at them. And I believe that while at first these might be hard conversations to have...more
...n act out of habit or default… but when we act out of choice, we’re more powerful in relation to everything really. F Laloux: And plus, it makes our purpose so much bigger and so much more interesting, right? So many organisations, let’s be honest, don’t have a super exciting purpose. Like you’re making t...more
...nd plus, it makes our purpose so much bigger and so much more interesting, right? So many organisations, let’s be honest, don’t have a super exciting purpose. Like you’re making this car component. Yeah, ultimately it’s a product that helps mobility and helps people to see their friends and families and lo...more
.... Yeah, ultimately it’s a product that helps mobility and helps people to see their friends and families and loved ones or go to work. So it’s a good purpose. Certainly, if it’s hopefully not a polluting car. It’s an electric car. And it’s a car that can be recycled at the end of its lifecycle. But, ultima...more
...sitting with the discomfort and being okay with not having an answer. And trusting that some some kind of clarity will come out, some aliveness, some purpose, some integrity on the other side. F Laloux: Yeah, totally. How does this all resonate with you? And I’m curious, is there a place for this in your ...more
...L Gill: And seeing people’s children too. F Laloux: Yeah, yeah, totally. And the purpose side… one of the things that I find interesting is hearing stories of, you know, often you’re not in a space in this area by yourself and you have a ...more

Ep. 57 Nand Kishore Chaudhary from Jaipur Rugs on love, collective consciousness and self-management

...e the name of our HR department. We renamed it to 'Search for the divine soul'. We decided that we shall only hire people who are highly sensible and purpose-driven. People who don't require to be managed, people with empathy, creativity, and who are driven by love, passion and not by fear. To develop resp...more
...n't. And this will transform the business around the world. Jaipur Rugs has become a business ashram, a place for the people to find their clarity of purpose and to gain higher consciousness....more
...ght? So what advice would you give to people who are listening? Who, like you, are interested in introducing self-management principles to fulfil the purpose of their organisation even more strongly? What advice would you give them in terms of what you're learning so far? NK Chaudhary: Find yourself throug...more
...u that after COVID, in the last five months, I have taken on more than 50 people who are searching for the direction of their life, searching for the purpose of their life. And I'm getting more and more requests from candidates who are searching for consciousness. And I also feel that, now the whole world ...more
...sation, is there anything else you'd like to share with listeners? NK Chaudhary: I'm really happy that when I started this business 42 years ago, the purpose of starting this business was: to know myself, who am I? And I thought I did not need to go to a temple or to the Himalayas to practice religion, I w...more
...ut I answered late, and in the morning again he called me. And I asked him "Why are you calling, what is the problem?" And he says "I'm searching the purpose of my life. And somebody died in my family. So for the last 10 days, I've been realising that what you are talking about in business is true. So I'm ...more

Ep. 45 Amy Edmondson on psychological safety and the future of work

...int out, is the zone where you feel both very motivated to do a good job — and that means you probably care; maybe you care about the end result, the purpose of it, maybe you care about just your own sense of mastery, but you really feel engaged and motivated by the work and by the goal — and you feel that...more

Ep. 54 Bill Fischer and Simone Cicero on Haier and the entrepreneurial organisation

...ure and Chinese culture, if we can really achieve it, you know, this sweet spot of these two cultures, trying to think about the organisation and the purpose of the organisation of today in the modern world…then that is going to provide us as with a sweet spot for really understanding what the organisation...more