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Peter Koenig on source, money and consciousness
...'ll just start and if you want to break in anywhere, just please break in because I can talk for hours about this. But as you know, I've been running money seminars for more than 30 years about the relationship to money and almost in every single seminar that I've had, I've always had people who have tho...more
... break in because I can talk for hours about this. But as you know, I've been running money seminars for more than 30 years about the relationship to money and almost in every single seminar that I've had, I've always had people who have thought about doing things for the future; starting projects, initi...more
...nitiatives or companies or something they want to do in the future but don't think they can really start now. And very often they come and say in the money seminar, "I need to get some money and finance together first and then I can start to do really what I want to do in my life or my initiative project...more
...g they want to do in the future but don't think they can really start now. And very often they come and say in the money seminar, "I need to get some money and finance together first and then I can start to do really what I want to do in my life or my initiative project, start a company or association", ...more
...what I want to do in my life or my initiative project, start a company or association", whatever. So, for many, many years, I was always saying in my money seminars, yes, but nobody ever starts any kind of initiative with money. Because that had been my own experience and I'd heard so many stories of peo...more
...r association", whatever. So, for many, many years, I was always saying in my money seminars, yes, but nobody ever starts any kind of initiative with money. Because that had been my own experience and I'd heard so many stories of people who'd started things, and they never started with money, they always...more
...tiative with money. Because that had been my own experience and I'd heard so many stories of people who'd started things, and they never started with money, they always started with an idea which they were passionate about. And then if it started working the resources, including money, (but not just mone...more
... never started with money, they always started with an idea which they were passionate about. And then if it started working the resources, including money, (but not just money) would seem to follow, not to lead. And I referred to this person who starts something as 'a source', because I'd learned that ...more
...oney, they always started with an idea which they were passionate about. And then if it started working the resources, including money, (but not just money) would seem to follow, not to lead. And I referred to this person who starts something as 'a source', because I'd learned that from one of my partne...more
...but doesn't like somebody else being in control of something else and it's making decision-making very long and costly, energetically as well as with money and everything else, time. And bumping up against that limitation all the time, until somebody is actually developing more, gets fed up with it all a...more
...hat are criticised and the greens are the criticising. These egotists who want to have a nice Porsche or a Ferrari say "Now I want to have a bit more money and I'm really fed up with this. I've done that bit". So they come on to being egotistical and it's actually not bad at all but it's not the end of t...more
...Lisa Gill: It strikes me that I think about what Yuval Noah Harare says about stories that a lot of things that we assume are things like companies, money, these are all stories that we collect and believe in, and I think if you look at organisations through that lens, the source work makes a lot of sen...more
...t's needed from those of us as sources? Peter Koenig: Well, your question leads me directly into what I've been calling for now a good 30 years to my money work. So it started to go called that and still is that because it has to do with your relationship to money and advancing yourself. It started with ...more
...en calling for now a good 30 years to my money work. So it started to go called that and still is that because it has to do with your relationship to money and advancing yourself. It started with questions on my own relationship to my money and other people's relationship to their money, and how one can ...more
...and still is that because it has to do with your relationship to money and advancing yourself. It started with questions on my own relationship to my money and other people's relationship to their money, and how one can change your relationship to money to start off with. And it turned out to be what I w...more
...r relationship to money and advancing yourself. It started with questions on my own relationship to my money and other people's relationship to their money, and how one can change your relationship to money to start off with. And it turned out to be what I would now call 'consciousness work' and related ...more
...started with questions on my own relationship to my money and other people's relationship to their money, and how one can change your relationship to money to start off with. And it turned out to be what I would now call 'consciousness work' and related to your identity. So if you want to develop and bec...more
...a part of me that is also Donald Trump and I love being Donald Trump. So it's like reclaiming these parts to ourselves one by one, as this is how my money work works. We use money to look at the parts that we're dissociating from ourselves. Money turns out to be an extremely efficient way of developing ...more
... Donald Trump and I love being Donald Trump. So it's like reclaiming these parts to ourselves one by one, as this is how my money work works. We use money to look at the parts that we're dissociating from ourselves. Money turns out to be an extremely efficient way of developing our consciousness in this...more
...ng these parts to ourselves one by one, as this is how my money work works. We use money to look at the parts that we're dissociating from ourselves. Money turns out to be an extremely efficient way of developing our consciousness in this kind of way, reclaiming parts to ourselves and as we do that, this...more
... about it and check in with is that what we want? Is that in service of my purpose or our purpose together or not? And in terms of talking about the money work, I think there is great potential there and I think it is a learning edge for people exploring new ways of working to really interrogate our rel...more
...k there is great potential there and I think it is a learning edge for people exploring new ways of working to really interrogate our relationship to money. So I guess, on that front, in terms of the potential for teams, to reinvent how they do salaries, for example, or how they distribute money, I'm won...more
...nship to money. So I guess, on that front, in terms of the potential for teams, to reinvent how they do salaries, for example, or how they distribute money, I'm wondering if you could share, what are some of the lessons or insights that you've gained from the money work that you could share with people w...more
...es, for example, or how they distribute money, I'm wondering if you could share, what are some of the lessons or insights that you've gained from the money work that you could share with people who are curious or interested to reinvent how money is distributed in their team or organisation? Peter Koenig:...more
...some of the lessons or insights that you've gained from the money work that you could share with people who are curious or interested to reinvent how money is distributed in their team or organisation? Peter Koenig: Well, that's a difficult question to answer just like that in terms of lessons and insigh...more
...ng development work. And it's almost like an accelerated consciousness process. So it's good for people who would want to do something different with money, to know that from the start because there's no guarantee in advance how things are going to come out if you put people into this. And the relationsh...more
...now that from the start because there's no guarantee in advance how things are going to come out if you put people into this. And the relationship to money is incredibly important in terms of answering the big questions that we have globally, right now, because the relationship to money flows through jus...more
...e relationship to money is incredibly important in terms of answering the big questions that we have globally, right now, because the relationship to money flows through just about every aspect of life that you can imagine. So if you want to develop yourself in all the other fields like nutrition and hea...more
...elf in all the other fields like nutrition and health and you do meditation and yoga and God knows what, but you stay fixed with your relationship to money and think that that's got nothing to do with your spirituality and so forth, you're way off the wrong path, you're way off actually. So at some point...more
...tuality and so forth, you're way off the wrong path, you're way off actually. So at some point, it needs to be integrated within your relationship to money and work and life needs to be integrated with everything else that you're doing because it's all one. And opening up this very taboo subject is not a...more
... we wouldn't want to look at at all. I won't explain it now but I can explain why we have deposited our deepest shadow aspects in our relationship to money. And there's like a cycle, a vicious circle cycle which, when you open it up, when you open up the subject, you're opening up a bag of worms in a sen...more
...en it up to other people in your organisation. So that's what I would give as input to somebody looking at it. I've had business leaders come into my money seminars, from large organisations, and originally, rather naively, I thought, the next step is they'll be bringing this work into their companies an...more
...itioners at the moment to be ready for this. And things are moving forward and more and more training, getting more and more practitioners doing this money work. What I described before is like reclaiming projections, reclamation, with more and more are doing this work, and it's going in a good direction...more
...ion. And timing, (I don't know how long things take, I'm very bad at timing), but I encourage everybody who feels ready to come and do this work with money to get into it as soon as they feel ready, really, because it is transformative....more
...Lisa Gill: Yeah, that's really interesting. And it's good what you say because I think I can get a bit excited about the money work and like, "oh, all teams should do this". But I think what you're saying, it needs to start with self and it's very personal inner work, and the...more
...nterested in exploring these new ways of working and self-management and all of this stuff. I think many of us in the green world have stories about money such as, money is dirty or bad, and organisations can have a tendency to push money away. And I think the opportunity is for us all to, (and you know...more
...ploring these new ways of working and self-management and all of this stuff. I think many of us in the green world have stories about money such as, money is dirty or bad, and organisations can have a tendency to push money away. And I think the opportunity is for us all to, (and you know, I'm on this j...more
...s stuff. I think many of us in the green world have stories about money such as, money is dirty or bad, and organisations can have a tendency to push money away. And I think the opportunity is for us all to, (and you know, I'm on this journey myself, I know I have lots of money stories to blame) but ther...more
...an have a tendency to push money away. And I think the opportunity is for us all to, (and you know, I'm on this journey myself, I know I have lots of money stories to blame) but there's an opportunity to see money as a tool - as something that can be used to help us realise our purpose or not. Peter Koen...more
...ortunity is for us all to, (and you know, I'm on this journey myself, I know I have lots of money stories to blame) but there's an opportunity to see money as a tool - as something that can be used to help us realise our purpose or not. Peter Koenig: Yeah, that's the purpose of this money work actually -...more
...ortunity to see money as a tool - as something that can be used to help us realise our purpose or not. Peter Koenig: Yeah, that's the purpose of this money work actually - to do precisely that, to have money be the facilitator that it was originally invented to be. Because if you look at the role it's pl...more
...can be used to help us realise our purpose or not. Peter Koenig: Yeah, that's the purpose of this money work actually - to do precisely that, to have money be the facilitator that it was originally invented to be. Because if you look at the role it's playing in so many people's lives, now, it's more like...more
... so many people's lives, now, it's more like the obstacle. It's become like the obstacle rather than the facilitator. So that's the work we do in the money work, is to turn it back around and have it become a facilitator for people's lives....more
...ybe they're on their own journey, as a source or doing their own inner work. So, with all of the work that you've done over the years with source and money work and identity work, what would be your advice? What are some tips for the journey that you would share? Peter Koenig: Oh, boy, thanks for the que...more

Alanna Irving on leadership, decisions and money in bossless organisations

...s to be managed that way. So if you look at the website, Open Collective looks like a crowdfunding platform, except it's all transparent - where the money comes from and where it goes. Then, if you lift up the hood, and dig around a little bit at how this thing actually works you'll see that it's sort o...more
... that I know you're interested in - and I think is sometimes a bit of a taboo topic in terms of distributed and decentralized organisations, which is money and how we collaborate with money. What has been your journey with that and what have you learned? What are some insights that you could share with l...more
...- and I think is sometimes a bit of a taboo topic in terms of distributed and decentralized organisations, which is money and how we collaborate with money. What has been your journey with that and what have you learned? What are some insights that you could share with listeners about collaborating with ...more
.... What has been your journey with that and what have you learned? What are some insights that you could share with listeners about collaborating with money in a non hierarchical way? Alanna Irving: Collaborating with money has become a really big theme in my work over the last few years. And that was not...more
...hat are some insights that you could share with listeners about collaborating with money in a non hierarchical way? Alanna Irving: Collaborating with money has become a really big theme in my work over the last few years. And that was not exactly intentional. It's something that really emerged. Then I tu...more
...d to in these few years has been around this theme'. So that was interesting to notice. I think it, started with the work we were doing at Enspiral. Money was naturally a part of it, because we were running businesses. And that was just inherent to the work we were doing. So we were thinking about money...more
...Money was naturally a part of it, because we were running businesses. And that was just inherent to the work we were doing. So we were thinking about money as just another type of information or just another resource that we could play with - that we could understand and get to know in different ways. W...more
...uild it in a different way', or, 'Oh, company structures...'. We were in a very experimental mode and so quite naturally just did the same thing with money. Also as a group of people it was very much about generosity and helping each other out. Money is a natural way to do that. So we started doing a lo...more
...de and so quite naturally just did the same thing with money. Also as a group of people it was very much about generosity and helping each other out. Money is a natural way to do that. So we started doing a lot of interesting experiments with money and Enspiral. What emerged was the whole collaborative ...more
... very much about generosity and helping each other out. Money is a natural way to do that. So we started doing a lot of interesting experiments with money and Enspiral. What emerged was the whole collaborative funding Cobudget thing. Cobudget is a tool for making a budget together. Essentially, you put ...more
...ing Cobudget thing. Cobudget is a tool for making a budget together. Essentially, you put up projects and people can control different amounts of the money and decide what to do with it. And see what collectively emerges. What do we want to prioritize? How much money do you want to spend on different pro...more
... can control different amounts of the money and decide what to do with it. And see what collectively emerges. What do we want to prioritize? How much money do you want to spend on different projects? So Cobudget is a software tool that helps groups do that. And that came out of how we were doing budgeti...more
...ntly in budget setting. So I did a lot of the behind the scenes sort of work figuring out how you actually make that happen. How do you actually move money around in bank accounts? I was doing all the admin and a lot of the legal entity company structure work behind that. A I wondered how you hack things...more
...ember, luckily, we had accountants at Enspiral who were totally aligned with us because I was asking them questions like, 'Can this company just give money to this other company?' And they said 'Oh, no, generosity is not in the text'. So out of that I really felt the power of money. I think a lot of peop...more
...this company just give money to this other company?' And they said 'Oh, no, generosity is not in the text'. So out of that I really felt the power of money. I think a lot of people feel like money is very powerful. But it's kind of like 'money's out there and it's having power over me' sort of feeling. ...more
...r company?' And they said 'Oh, no, generosity is not in the text'. So out of that I really felt the power of money. I think a lot of people feel like money is very powerful. But it's kind of like 'money's out there and it's having power over me' sort of feeling. I tasted an inverting of that - like, 'Oh...more
...s not in the text'. So out of that I really felt the power of money. I think a lot of people feel like money is very powerful. But it's kind of like 'money's out there and it's having power over me' sort of feeling. I tasted an inverting of that - like, 'Oh, money, we can control how we want to use it, ...more
...s very powerful. But it's kind of like 'money's out there and it's having power over me' sort of feeling. I tasted an inverting of that - like, 'Oh, money, we can control how we want to use it, we get to say what the dynamics of our internal economy is'. And that's very empowering. So I got very interes...more
...pay lots of expensive lawyers and accountants. Also I've recently been dealing more and more with the whole crypto world. And of course dealing with money in new ways is very central to what a lot of what people are thinking about in the crypto world. So that's interesting. I'm not usually an early adop...more
.... So I only got really pulled into the whole crypto thing in the last couple of years. But it's really interesting and empowering to be able to take money and turn it into information, and then do lots of creative and highly flexible things without all the baggage from all the systems we use to manipula...more
...d turn it into information, and then do lots of creative and highly flexible things without all the baggage from all the systems we use to manipulate money in mainstream society. And there are pros and cons to that. Some of the stuff that's been developed in mainstream society has been developed for a re...more
...hat way if you transformed from a traditional organisation. What would your advice be to people who are who are curious about how they might approach money in that sense? How can you open the kimono?What are your thoughts? Alanna Irving: Money has a lot of psychological power for many people in positive ...more
... people who are who are curious about how they might approach money in that sense? How can you open the kimono?What are your thoughts? Alanna Irving: Money has a lot of psychological power for many people in positive and negative ways. Talking about money is somehow this massive shortcut to talking about...more
...the kimono?What are your thoughts? Alanna Irving: Money has a lot of psychological power for many people in positive and negative ways. Talking about money is somehow this massive shortcut to talking about all of these very deep, important, complex issues. If you have a conversation about your relationsh...more
...how this massive shortcut to talking about all of these very deep, important, complex issues. If you have a conversation about your relationship with money, it's often a conversation about how you were raised, and how poor your grandparents were and what some of the biggest mistakes you've made in your l...more
...ok at a human being, but is massively influential in our culture and in our mindsets. So I'd say first of all, don't blame yourself if talking about money gives you the heebie jeebies, that's normal and expected. If you're working in a self-managing organisation, you probably have a lot of practices for...more
...rganisation, you probably have a lot of practices for creating good containers for having hard conversations. So I'd encourage you to think about the money conversation similarly, and just think creatively about it. or, Who are the right people to speak to, what kind of container may hold them up well, w...more
...ght questions? Good facilitation obviously helps a lot. I would also really encourage people to let go of the idea that there's any one answer about money. Just like there's no one answer about any other organizational process or decisions that you need to make. You have a feeling and say we'll try some...more
...elt it out and can figure out what's working for us, be willing to loosen the sort of tight grip or super seriousness that people tend to hold around money, and see whether that's facilitated by putting timeboxes around things, or taking 10% of the budget and freeing it from our normal budget process and...more
...get and freeing it from our normal budget process and doing a really transparent, participatory experiment. Just to start practicing and playing with money together in lower stakes ways can be really helpful because then it will feel less scary to make the bigger, more serious decisions about money later...more
... with money together in lower stakes ways can be really helpful because then it will feel less scary to make the bigger, more serious decisions about money later on....more
...ny years of stretching myself too far and not having enough balance. And just working in an early stage bootstrapping startup and never having enough money and always feeling like we wanted to help everyone and we couldn't. Plus, going back to some of what we were talking about earlier with leadership d...more

Buurtzorg and the power of self-managed teams of nurses
...h Sheila joined. And then we were six. And now there are three teams in in Houten. Marian: And what we had to do was look for a location. I spent the money for a location. We found it together and made our home, I think! Yeah, that was nice to do. A lot of fun. And then you have a laptop. And then you st...more
...b she does very well. Marian: We were all thinking: "What can we do for her? What's possible?" Jolanda: It was for two years on our list, and it cost money. Chila: She was also depressive and so it was quite complicated. But we have our team coach. If it's too complicated for us and you don't know what t...more
... them? Chila: Production is a challenge. Lisa Gill: In what way? What do you mean by production? Chila: You have to have enough clients to get enough money. Because only clients generate money. But if you work in your office, or you're sick or on holiday, it's unproductive time, and there's no money for ...more
...ge. Lisa Gill: In what way? What do you mean by production? Chila: You have to have enough clients to get enough money. Because only clients generate money. But if you work in your office, or you're sick or on holiday, it's unproductive time, and there's no money for the company. Lisa Gill: Ah, like prod...more
...ough money. Because only clients generate money. But if you work in your office, or you're sick or on holiday, it's unproductive time, and there's no money for the company. Lisa Gill: Ah, like productivity. Chila: Yeah. So that's always a challenge, because you have the holidays, and you have to go to co...more
...special lady who oversaw projects. There were 100 projects from all over the country that you could sign in, if you had a good idea, and you got some money to try to develop it. So we have a walker race. You know, people who walk with [walking aids]? We have a race in Amsterdam in the Olympic Stadium eve...more

Bill Fischer and Simone Cicero on Haier and the entrepreneurial organisation

...at this is the most important thing for him. It’s really about knowing about the work of others, and engaging with ideas. He’s not there to make more money or to exercise more power. When you’re there it feels like you should be there reading books, instead of managing a company. So, I think this kind o...more
...eate an enterprise. And then when you decide, your basic income is really basic — so you need to be entrepreneurial to really have a decent amount of money, but you can get more you know…because if you are really at the printer, you can make lots of money. So, you can be a kind of architect, a certain ki...more
...entrepreneurial to really have a decent amount of money, but you can get more you know…because if you are really at the printer, you can make lots of money. So, you can be a kind of architect, a certain kind of attraction for the participants in your organisation — you kind of create the culture by desig...more

Jorge Silva on horizontal structures and participatory culture at 10Pines

...ok management, where everyone knows all the numbers of the company, all the other financial numbers of the company - in terms of income, and how much money we pay for the office, and even how much we're spending on salaries. So everyone knows the salary of everyone. And this is interesting, too, because...more
...that they know something, they know things that you don't know, and you have to understand your position - and not because you are a boss or you have money or you have whatever - you are in a position of knowing everything and knowing what the other has to do. And I think that you have to trust and be hu...more
...st suitable medical insurance for them, and that they are not going to abuse that decision. And it was the best decision because people start to save money and to be really critical on what medical insurance to have. So when you invert control to the people around you and give the responsibility to them,...more

Miki Kashtan on the three shifts needed for self-managing organisations to thrive

... to where need exists. And that creates a fundamental sense of precariousness for most humans on the planet, which isn't how it was before. Exchange, money, debt, interest, markets –before all of those were introduced, there wasn't that kind of precariousness that people lived in. So fundamentally, our ...more
... for a few individuals. That is their purpose. And that purpose has nothing inspiring about it, except possibly for the person who's going to get the money, but even then, I don't actually think it's inspiring. It's not life giving. I mean, there's a whole other, you know, sub thread about that claim of ...more
...ystem, you need to work out, especially if the sum total of how people want to use the resources that are within the organisation – which is not just money, it's human power, it's machinery, it's everything that is there – if the sum total of how people want to use it exceeds the sum total of the resourc...more

Jos de Blok on Buurtzorg and the virtues of humanising, not protocolising

...think when you talk about it, and then you share it, I think people will feel that it's okay. So it's good that we just spend time. It's not bringing money in, no. But it's important. It's an important thing....more
... in the UK, within the NHS), you need to have a clear business model and it's very simple; if you work this way, what's the financial structure? What money is coming in and what's going out? As simple as that. You need to have a model and lift this model. I always use different scenarios. So when it's wo...more

Frederic Laloux with an invitation to reclaim integrity and aliveness

...ould be actually more fun to work for, or maybe you’ll start something up with your sister, or your brother in law, or maybe some of them have enough money anyway. And what we realised is that all of the fears were ego fears. It was that they would be seen as a failure in their circles of CEOs, they wou...more
...round the looming environmental climate collapse, and they were so shocked by that book that they decided: “Yeah, we want to change our lives… Making money in Silicon Valley is no longer interesting to us.” And so they came to spend some time with us in our eco village. And so fellow Belgians, you know, ...more

Lisa Gill and Mark Eddleston celebrate 50 episodes of Leadermorphosis

...hink I mentioned in the Skeena episode that I started out asking quite technical questions; How do you make decisions? How do you do salaries? How is money distributed? And I was beginning to become interested in the more human relationship dynamics, but I think that's become much more my focus and I thi...more
...hat they've been transported into the online meeting space. And also things like how we distribute resources, like salaries and things like that, and money, and if you have transparent finances, people are much more responsible and able to together, decide how do we make tough decisions together? There's...more

Edwin Jansen on how people adopt self-management at Fitzii
...t people think that they're going to have don't materialise, like, if people can set their own salaries, they're all going to pay themselves all this money. And it's actually the opposite is true: people pay themselves less than they would have asked for from their manager. And so the difficult thing is ...more
...'m worth in the market, what my replacement costs would be, what people perceive to be my business value impact on the team in the business, how much money I need. There's all these things and then at the end of the day, you need to prioritise one or two of them over the others and pick a number and tell...more

Bernadette Wesley on bridging inner and outer transformation

...rvival. You're going to show up as your best self, you want to go for the promotion. It sounds terrible but you would go for the promotion, make more money and that was the mindset and it still is today in many places. But now that I'm in a purpose-aligned workplace it brings up all of the things like th...more

Pasteur Byabeza on transitioning to self-management at Davis College

...y have a lot of interest in having their orders strictly obeyed and accepted by their subordinates. So in a tiered organisation, you know, there's no money for you to see. So I've noticed - when people in an organisation are accustomed to receiving orders and instructions about what to do from their mana...more

Nand Kishore Chaudhary from Jaipur Rugs on love, collective consciousness and self-management

...ference, which I see in myself, is a great satisfaction for me. If somebody asked me, "Mr. Chaudhary, you have earned a name, you have earned so much money, what is your next step?" I will only answer: to lose myself. Because the more I lose my identity, the more I'll be a satisfied person. I can create ...more

Beetroot’s founders on purpose, self-management, and shocking people with trust

...but which is built to be long-term financially self-sustainable, although we're scaling it up and building the product and so on with help from grant money; we are supported by for example, Sweden, Estonia, USAID and UNDP for doing that. And at this point we are Beetroot Academies running in 16 different...more