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CEO

Ep. 55 Frederic Laloux with an invitation to reclaim integrity and aliveness

...ay, “Frederic, I don’t even know what you’re talking about. I don’t even understand your question.” I gave them examples. Like I knew that he was the CEO of a fashion brand and I had seen some of their advertising and it was horribly objectifying. There was basically this semi naked woman lying down wi...more
... if I don’t do them. What do I do? I don’t know.” Or, maybe it’s something else that is shocking. You know, maybe it’s the income inequality, like a CEO makes 20 or maybe 300 times the salary of the lowest paid person. Am I okay with that? I’m not no longer okay with it. But that’s our system. I don’t...more
...d is that all of the fears were ego fears. It was that they would be seen as a failure in their circles of CEOs, they wouldn’t be invited to whatever CEO retreats and think tanks… but there was no real danger to their lives in any way. It was just an ego fear, but it’s a real fear. And I wanted to hono...more
...n to have it…” and just amazing things that start to happen. I think a lot of it starts with truth telling. I mean, a few months ago, I spoke with a CEO of the home care division of cleaning products of Unilever. And he is brutally honest about his business — both internally and externally, he’s talki...more
... you are still trying to solve that problem. For them, you are still having a role in this. But let’s actually look: the tension wasn’t with you, the CEO, the tension was between the teams that are overstaffed and understaffed. So a possible intervention is to get representatives from these teams to ta...more

Ep. 54 Bill Fischer and Simone Cicero on Haier and the entrepreneurial organisation

...ith in people who are closest to the market and relating to their potential. So I’m curious on what your thoughts are about Zhang Ruimin how he as a CEO is able to hold the space for this organisation to evolve and to be the way it is, which is really quite radical in comparison to most large scale or...more
...te radical in comparison to most large scale organisations we know today. B Fischer: I think that he’s unique. I think that I have never met another CEO who compares to him — in both his intellectual curiosity, and his determination. And, you know, we talked about six incarnations, at least, dependin...more
...n the same camp of this slightly outdated heroic archetype of a leader. But he has this lovely phrase about creating a system where everyone can be a CEO of themselves. And I’m interested in what your experience is of leadership more generally at Haier and how leadership emerges. What does leadership l...more
...Yeah, I think the pressure that they put on the individual — it’s really huge. It resonates with Peter Drucker — you mentioned this idea of being the CEO of yourself. That’s not really Zhang Ruimin’s words but Peter Drucker’s words that Zhang Ruimin repeats all the time…it’s a company where individuals...more

Ep. 37 Miki Kashtan on the three shifts needed for self-managing organisations to thrive

...rough that story, I will pull out a very core principle. I was once working with an organisation that was a nonprofit service organisation, and their CEO was retiring after 25 years of service. So it was a big, huge transition. And it was looking at some point, like this search process wasn't going to ...more
...like this search process wasn't going to be successful in time. It was a totally traditional organisation. So there were five of them right under the CEO. So it looked like they were going to suddenly have to co lead the organisation for a while until they found a new CEO, which of course, leaves open ...more
...e five of them right under the CEO. So it looked like they were going to suddenly have to co lead the organisation for a while until they found a new CEO, which of course, leaves open the question, why do you then need a CEO? [Laughs] We will leave that aside for the moment. And so I was supporting the...more
...o suddenly have to co lead the organisation for a while until they found a new CEO, which of course, leaves open the question, why do you then need a CEO? [Laughs] We will leave that aside for the moment. And so I was supporting them in preparing for that possibility, which in the end wasn't necessary....more

Ep. 45 Amy Edmondson on psychological safety and the future of work

...y anybody. We often think of leadership as maybe even a higher level or form of management, but that’s leadership with a capital ‘L’, maybe, it’s the CEO or the business unit manager. But leadership with a small ‘l’ is the small things you do to make a difference, to influence others… Even a subordinat...more
...elf forward. You can make a difference. I think so many people, and my heart goes out to them, think: “I’ve gotta wait for some boss to fix it or the CEO to change hands.” In fact, most of us underestimate the impact we could have if we just decided to be brave and committed to making a difference. Eve...more

Ep. 57 Nand Kishore Chaudhary from Jaipur Rugs on love, collective consciousness and self-management

...esults for themselves, what for you is really important? NK Chaudhary: I think the problem starts when we create our own identity, as a manager, as a CEO, as the owner of a company. Then we mix two things together, we mix our identity with our role. Our role is separate and our identity is separate. So...more
...use I think that's what many people are afraid of, as you say, to sort of let go of having ultimate power, to let go of being the hero, if you're the CEO is scary and feels like a loss for people sometimes I think. But if you keep role and identity separate, it doesn't have to be a loss. NK Chaudhary: ...more